If you hated your partner's friends, would it be a dealbreaker? For me, I think the answer is yes, given that I actually hated them and didn't just dislike them. But I think I have good reasons (and of course there are exceptions).
1. If I hate someone, I generally have a good reason.
I'll admit I don't really "hate" people, because it takes too much effort. Even actively disliking someone is a challenge for me--as a kid, I always failed at giving my sisters the silent treatment when they made me angry. But if I'm at the point where I don't want to be around a person, it's because I dislike either their attitudes (e.g., racism) or actions (e.g., drug use) and said thoughts/behaviors are an integral part of interacting with the person. One of Z's friends (I think he qualifies as an ex-friend now) who I've never met is a former soldier who has some questionable ideas about a lot of things--he would go in this category, because he's not the "just make polite conversation and keep it moving" type.
2. People are generally inclined to defend their friends (which complicates things).
One time, Z and I got into a fight over something inappropriate that one of his close friends wrote on his Facebook wall. I was angry because I felt that he let his friend slide where he wouldn't let anyone else slide at the risk of offending me; he didn't want to call out his friend and tried to take a neutral approach, which wasn't really working given the nature of the comment. It wasn't a very serious situation, but I'm still giving that friend the side-eye almost a year later, and I think it's a good example of how we can jump to defending our friends as people even when we disagree with their attitudes or actions. It becomes a slippery slope when the defense (or neutral stance) is seen as support of the friend's words or behaviors, and it can put a strain on the relationship.
3. No one wants to choose between friends and a relationship.
I'm mildly conflict-avoidant and tend to plan everything in advance, so ideally I would never be in this situation ("me or your friends")--I'd rather find out the rift before ever dating the person and avoid the drama, but of course that's not always possible. My life experiences have made it easier for me to distance myself from people if a situations not working out, and it can make me seem cold, but I'm just wired to apply logic to emotional situations. Between going to college out-of-state and moving across the country on my own right, I've already had experience leaving friendships or relationships and not being too upset about it. It's not that I don't care, it's just that I know that if I do care I'll show it (by calling, visiting, etc.), and the other person will do the same. If we don't show it, it's because we don't care, and that's just life. (Harsh, right? :-P)
Obviously, not everyone's like me, and I imagine it can be really stressful for some people to choose between friends (especially people they've grown up with) and a relationship. If it appears the person won't be completely happy either way, I'd rather just cut my losses since I won't be happy either if I'm forced to interact with people I have significant issues with.
I hope it goes without saying that I'm talking about serious friction between you and someone's friends, not petty things (although "serious" and "petty" are relative). I've never hated a boyfriend's friends, but the difference in our attitudes and behaviors has led to problems in the relationship before. However, I don't think it was the friends in and of themselves--they just revealed to me characteristics my boyfriend had tried to downplay in front of me. (Not Z, of course. :-P)
What do you think about being compatible with your partner's friends? Do our friends really reflect on us?
It's Not You, It's Your Friends
Posted by Jasmin at Sunday, May 01, 2011 | Labels: friends, relationshipsSunday, May 01, 2011
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I think your friends do reflect on you and at a minimum they show what you are willing to put up with. I distanced myself from a platonic male friend of mine with potential to be more because his friend was one of those types that thought he had the right to comment on one's level of blackness. When the guy said something offensive about me my friend made him apologize but my friend always treated it as if I was over reacting. Then they became roommates and in my mind that was the end of our friendship so I pretty much went MIA.
What if a person doesn't have any friends? Problem solved. LOL.
People may think that they have "friends." But people soon find out who their real friends are when they are in trouble--fair-weather friends.
Well, in a way, a person's friends say a lot about the person. So if someone's friends are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. (for example), it's a red flag, I think. I mean, even if the person isn't any of these things, the fact (s)he is still friends with those people is alarming.
ON the other hand, I am familiar with not being compatible with his friends... But it's somewhat ok. We don't have to share same interests. I once dated a guy who was into rap music, and his friends were, too, into rap music (I am not) so I wasn't really crazy about going to their parties (I did go from time to time). But it's not a big deal, I think.
Modest-Goddess,
I notice that many people tend to err on the side of "tell the offended party not to be so sensitive" rather than telling their friends to stop being offensive.
Serpentus,
*Be careful; I get lots of your comments twice, so make sure you're only hitting "publish" once.*
Well if you don't have any friends you may be a loner aka potential serial killer so... :-P
Mira,
I don't think I'm compatible with Z's friends (except for 1), but none of them are reprehensible enough that it'd be a deal-breaker. The biggest reason we aren't incompatible is because most of them are typical Nice Guys (TM) who expect "hot" girls to take interest in them and get mad when they don't, even though they wouldn't give "regular" girls the time of day.
lol at your definition of Nice Guys.
For some reason, I thought nice guys were... Well, nice guys: decent individuals that girls don't pay attention to.
"For some reason, I thought nice guys were... Well, nice guys: decent individuals that girls don't pay attention to."
What am I getting at from this woman's statement? Nice guys really do finish last? I've been having a feeling that it was true.
"Nice Guys (TM) who expect 'hot' girls to take interest in them and get mad when they don't, even though they wouldn't give 'regular' girls the time of day."
How about when regular girls won't give regular guys the time of day because they're all looking for a Brad Pitt? Regular women can get regular men really easy. But why do they dress up in sexy clothes even though they can get attention from any average guy with plain clothes? Because they want the 3-5second attention from the bad boy Enrique Iglesias.
Serpentus,
LOL, women aren't dressing up in sexy clothes for you, because you are an aspiring Nice Guy (TM). As you copied and pasted so expertly, what I wrote sums it up: it's hypocritical to go after people out of your league (yeah, I said it) and think it represents your true desires (i.e., not an attempt to keep up with the Joneses and validate yourself) and then turn around and judge a woman who does the same as being shallow. But it's also stupid to make some grand claims about saving yourself for the right girl and all that in an attempt to get people to care. The moral(s) of the story? Sometimes, you (yes you) are just mediocre. The fact that other people don't want to deal with that isn't an indicator of being shallow, but rather of common sense. Moral number 2? You need to get a life, dude, like yesterday.
Whoa. Where did that scathing comment come from? I'm just making a point. Sheesh.
"go after people out of your league"
Define league.
^^^LOL, because you are so weird, and listening to any points you make is just silly because you have absolutely no experience with what you're talking about, and your attitude (both as psuedo-virgin and game sheeple) hasn't really seemed to work out for you either way. Yes, this is a case where I'm laughing at you, not with you. /gamesetmatch
"You are so weird."
I actually take pride in that. I'm different!
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